Godzilla 2014 vs. Godzilla Resurgence official debate thread

These posts seem to paint legendary as this unstoppable monster, let's clear something up Awakening is still heavily disputed as to how "canon" it is. If this Godzilla was feet away from a meteor that wiped out basically all life on earth then he should have had a walk in the park going through the military, and mutos. A building by any stretch of the imagination would be hardly felt. Also the movie specifically has a line saying he got attacked by kiloton nukes. A specific line they go out of their way to establish within this universe solely for the reason of specifying the bombs were never megaton.

Not saying Shin would win, but this is much closer to a 50/50 fight than some are pretending.

I also want to make this clear. I love the Legendary Godzilla, Im very excited to see the sequels. He is a force to be reckoned with. Just stating what I saw in both films as terms of power and ability. Legendary is a like a football player, he can move and run you over. While Shin is like the Bruce Lee of Godzilla's, he doesn't need to hit you with his whole body to hurt you and take you out. Shin only needs one good shot at you with any of its abilities and then your out.  I know somebody is going to call me out on the Bruce Lee comment. Im just trying to make this humorous, calm down.  

"Not saying Shin would win, but this is much closer to a 50/50 fight than some are pretending."

Pretty much this.

Everyone seems to be forgetting Shin Godzilla's rapid colonization. Even if Shin is blown to pieces, those pieces each can regenerate into a whole new Godzilla. 50/50? I think not. 

Everyone seems to forget that Shin goes catatonic whenever he uses his atomic breath. Plus in the movie, and comic it's extremely well known that Legendary Pictures Godzilla tanked 15 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb called Castle Bravo. Let's not pretend that's the same as Bunker Buster Bombs. 

Plus Shin needs radiation to even function. All Legendary Godzilla needs to do is be near Shin Godzilla, and he would get stronger from all the radiation that leaks out of Shin. I mean It's been established that Legendary gets his radiation from thermal vents from the earths core. He was built to absorb radiation. Shin would go catatonic way faster before he would even notice he was losing radiation, or even be aware that there's a threat in the area, because he isn't to bright. He only reacts when his in danger. That's the same as a frog in boiling water. I love the comment that Shin destroyed a entire city. Big deal. .. Shin also took a two week recharge period. Legendary Godzilla chased the MUTO'S for days while dealing with the military, and fighting the male on several occasions. Later fought both male, and female for a entire day before collapsing after beating them. You seriously can't compare that. Especially when Legendary could destroy a entire city without needing a rest period. Granted it wouldn't be as fast. It still wouldn't matter because the human race wouldn't be able to do a thing. Unlike Shin who lost to humans. 

Plus the parasitic MUTO's have whipped out the Godzilla species. Not a easy thing to do I imagine. You guy's give way to little credit to a monster that evolved to kill the King of the Monsters. 

And yes the books are canon. You can literally see all the interviews that basically confirme this, and the film Kong Skull Island using some of the stuff in Awakening. Plus General Macarthur is a character from the graphic novel. He was added to the Monarch Timeline... That alone should tell you how much Awakening is the official prequel to the 2014 Godzilla.

^Not true. The books being canon are wildly in dispute at best, contradictory at worst.

I'll repeat and add some to my comment. 

Yes the book's are canon. You can literally see all the interviews that basically confirme this, and the film Kong Skull Island using some of the stuff in Awakening. Plus General Macarthur is a character from the graphic novel. He was added to the Monarch Timeline... That alone should tell you how much Awakening is the official prequel to the 2014 Godzilla.

Some of the inconsistencies from Awakening & 2014 film can be solved by simply remembering that Monarch is a secret organization that won't reveal the entire truth about Giant Monsters owning this earth. What they told to Ford was a cover story that simply only involved the Monsters in question, and keep everything else under wraps. Especially when you take a look at there timeline. They have been keeping track of MUTO'S throughout the years, and even contain some.

Repeating it doesn't make it true. And if we're going by the timeline, why don't the timeline events reference the battle Godzilla had? Or the event in general? Seems like a big event to gloss over.

Until said by an official filmmaker or referenced officially in the films, it is not confirmed canon.

http://www.craveonline.com/site/685843-exclusive-interview-max-borenstein-on-godzilla-and-godzilla-awakening

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themarysue.com/godzilla-awakening-interview/amp/

http://www.superherohype.com/features/301379-interview-max-borenstein-writer-of-godzilla-and-legendarys-prequel-graphic-novel#/slide/1

1954 Monarch Goes Global

As the age of the atom bomb dawns, Monarch, a multinational coalition of scientists leading covert missions to understanding of M.U.T.O.S. authorized unofficially and overseen by General Macarthur, ( ) flotilla under the guise of "Nuclear( ) weapons across the Bikini Atoll in they were not test. They were trying to kill it.

^ All that is pretty substantial evidence. Legendary Pictures & Gareth Edwards, plus the writer for the 2014 Godzilla film saying that Awakening is the official prequel to Godzilla 2014. Meaning canon. 

Plus in the movie, and comic it's extremely well known that Legendary Pictures Godzilla tanked 15 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb called Castle Bravo.

Except when there was that scene specifically pointing out they used a kiloton nuke. A whole conversation just to prove you wrong strange when you can point to everything BUT the movie to get your info

So your saying that Castle Bravo was a Kiloton nuke and not a Megaton?

You do realize that mistakes slip through the cracks in movies right? Doesn't change the fact that Legendary Pictures Godzilla tanked Castle Bravo. They even say it in Kong Skull Island. Castle Bravo was a 15 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb. So yes that line in the 2014 movie was clearly a mistake. 

Meaning the Nuke they tried to use on the MUTO's in the 2014 film at the end was more powerful, then Castle Bravo. 

By that logic i could easily say skull island was the movie that made the mistake rather than the movie about godzilla that highlighted a plot point

Kong Skull Island fixed some of the mistakes from the previous movie. Stuff like that happens all the time. 

It's called Retconed 

By that logic g14 retconned both its tie in materials and made them noncanon since there are differences even if small parts are acknowledged.

Example: the 100s of pieces of media for the old star wars universe that also had characters and events added to the current canon while not making the entirety of the works canon.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/301379-interview-max-borenstein-writer-of-godzilla-and-legendarys-prequel-graphic-novel#/slide/1

^ Yeah that explains why, and confirms at the same time that it's canon. Plus the Star Wars universe actually Retconed a lot of it's material and the studio responsible for what's canon has said what actually is and what isn't. 

Legendary Pictures never said that Godzilla Awakening isn't canon. Especially now that a character from that book has been added to the Monarch Timeline and Skull Island using certain things from the graphic novel. 

That post was largely unrelated to its canon and vague at that.

Star Wars retconned everything and started over, outside a tv show. Once disney made the mandate everything needed to be canon it was restarted and characters from the old were taken and used when possible.

Godzilla Awakening was made before the monsterverse was concepted outside what might have been a vague idea, had no relation to the development of its own movie and once the universe was made the BIGGEST part and whole point of the comic are left unmentioned while  single named is dragged up in the official timeline.

They both sound similar don't they?

For the purposes of the actual debate at hand, I propose that we utilize Awakening, if only for the additional context it gives behind the physical statistics of the character of Godzilla, DEATH BATTLE style. Let's not nitpick over canon here, we have other threads for that.

There's not much else to add from the comic anyways, besides the possible asteroid feat and slightly more detailed usage of Legendary Godzilla's plasma breath, which is seen to be able to create small craters upon contact with the ground in addition to being able to burn up a Shinomura entirely if all of its individual colony members can be caught in the stream.

Coupled with Legendary Godzilla's impressive physique and demonstrated feats in the film, Shin Godzilla would be hard-pressed to keep him down.

Actually no they don't sound similar. One started completely over while the other is still building it's universe. Literally that link I provided shows that Legendary Pictures, Gareth Edwards and the guy who wrote the movie which is the same guy who wrote the graphic novel all saying that it's part of the movie and expands on the mythology. 

Anyways Shin stands no chance against Legendary Godzilla. 

As for how Godzilla was represented. I give it to Legendary Pictures. They truly captured the character throughout the years. They truly made him contemporary and added everything from Toho's rich history. 

As for the actual film? Well I personally hated Shin Godzilla, because it didn't feel like Godzilla and watch extremely boring with no character's. A complete opposite reaction from what I felt when I saw Legendary Pictures. People actually cheered whenever he appeared, and people clapped when he won. Super satisfying that so many enjoyed it. It's certainly my second favorite Godzilla movie.

"Which is the same guy that wrote the novelization." completely bullshit. Greg Cox wrote the novelization. Max Boring-stein wrote the films script. Neither Greg Cox or the guy who wrote the Awakening are the guys who wrote the films script. Get your facts straight. 

Even then in one of those interviews, Max Borenstein blatantly said the films script was completed long before the novelization or comic were even considered. When asked directly if it was "Canon" he diverted the question many times. The point is, the comic and novelization are not Canon. End of discussion. 

Yes, end of discussion here.

Their inclusion as part of the DEATH BATTLE styled VS debate here, though? Not quite! They have much to offer, and contextualize a lot of Legendary Godzilla's feats more clearly. Same general character in the same franchise. Of course, no need to bring them into the fold in terms of discussing the films' merits. We'll do that in other threads.