Debate Week Season 6 Finale! Day 8: Godzilla 2014 vs Queen Legion!

Lets go Goji! Oi! Oi! Oi!

This one goes to Legion. Once again, Godzilla '14 just is not that impressive when compared to many other kaiju. Legions entire repertoire of powers completely outclasses Godzilla. Only way Gamera was able to kill her was by throwing the power of the entire planet at her. If her swarm had arrived to protect her, the outcome would have been different. If you add her army into this mix, Godzilla '14 doesn't stand a chance.

I don't know. Let's see....... Godzilla is stronger in terms of durability and physical combat, and his mass greatly exceeds that of the Legion Queen. The swarm might be a problem, but not by as much of a factor as one would think. Godzilla's skin is so durable, the Legion Drones would likely be unable to penetrate it at all, and thus only serve to distract him.

The biggest factor is the various powered abilities of the Legion Queen. She has a powerful blue energy beam from her horns that can decimate entire battalions and blast apart Gamera's shell, an energy barrier that can even resist plasma bursts, and, if her horns are ripped off, additional laser whips that can pierce straight through Gamera's shell.

Overall, though, I'd say it all depends on the range of combat. If Godzilla can get in close, he'll easily overpower and take down the Legion Queen, even with her entourage of Legion Drones being a minor nuisance. But at range, he'll need to move quickly or else be cut down by her energy beams. I'd say that LegendaryGoji could accomplish, given that he's durable as all hell.

He's smart enough to figure out that trying to use his plasma breath in anything but extremely close ranges won't work with that barrier up, and know he's physically capable of tangling with this extraterrestrial arthropod.

Hmmmm.....

Godzilal may have have a chance if he moves fasts enough, and once he gets up close, Legion may fall. Legion has less impressive durability, as she is made of silicon, and also is 600 tons, which is even less than an average Pacific Rim kaiju, which is mainly 6,000 tons. Legion, however, will win if she manages to get Godzilla in long-range. That way, Godzilla will be gone for sure.

On a side note, Godzilla 2014 is quite fast, as you can see he swims pretty quickly

Not just in the water, either, TheOxygenDestroyer'54. He isn't quite a graceful swan on land, but he's overall just as fast as Heisei Godzilla iterations, despite being over 1/3 larger in mass. That, and his given durability is a "monster", even not taking into account the Permian extinction meteor.

Castle Bravo was 15 megatons of nuclear power and atom-ripping energy. Only either a large enough physical opponent like the M.U.T.O.s or extremes of temperature and/or kinetic energy can do some damage to him. That, combined with his decent speed for a creature his size means he could very easily whether the Legion Queen's ranged options long enough to get in close and rip her up.

Legion wins since LegendaryGoji isn't as durable as other Goji incarnation and his Atomic Breath is also isn't as powerful as the previous incarnation.

long range Legion wins, close id say 14 would win.

^legion would win both range and close

I don't see how the Legion Queen would win up-close, SkeleturtleTheBest Akak Kaijusaurs. She's smaller in overall mass, and her extra digits aren't gonna do much good when you cain't really piece the hide of your opponent in the first place.

Godzilla could easily overpower her, and, due to said durability, isn't gonna be hurt much by anything except possibly her energy attacks, and even those are iffy due to, once again, his incredible durability. At range, she might cut him down, but he could just as easily power through the onslaught and get in close to finish her off. Plus, he's smart.

He'll recognize which parts of her do what, and adjust his combat strategy accordingly to accomodate for that. Her digging/flying prowess might prove a bother, but since she's physically weaker than Godzilla, it's not as much of an advantage as one would think.

@TheGman123

 LegendaryGoji aka CameraShyGoji wouldn't stand against Legion since he isn't as durable previous Godzilla incarnation(come one MUTO's claw makes him bleed) And Legion survive mana blast(which is stronger that 14goji's atomic breath) for several seconds.

Ignore the misspell, the edit is broken in me.

Well, Godzilla is larger, smarter, and maybe slightly more durable, but he's outnumbered here. The only way he can win is by holding out until he defeats the baby Legion before moving on to the Queen, who will be a pretty tough fight.

Legion is more durable(she survive mana blast for several seconds) and bigger than 14goji.

"Plus, he's smart."

Someone really needs to explain this to me. Okay, he's smart. I won't dispute it, but compared to other kaiju, even other incarnations, the 2014 Godzilla isn't nearly as "smart" or resourceful. Plus Gamera is arguably far smarter than any Godzilla incarnation (communicating with humans and created to protect them, understanding the damage a Legion flower could do and trying to stop it, attempting to rescue Ayana) and he still got tossed around by Legion-- Needing military help and a high stake trump card to defeat her.

Skeleturtle, where is this hatred for Godzilla 2014 coming from? From the facts stated he should be able to atleast have a chance, but your acting as if he has none.

@GG

I don't have hatred for G14, I just don't see him standing up against Legion.

Well, Original Gman, it goes something like this. Yes, in a general sense, LegendaryGoji isn't that much smarter than prior iterations. However, we see him learning his enemies' movements and specialties over the course of the movie, and acting on them accordingly, unlike many past monsters.

Biting and tossing the male M.U.T.O. at the shoulder, attacking the female at a crucial moment as her laying eggs, using Ford's distraction to use his plasma breath, the massively powerful tail slam against the male in mid-flight, the shoulder bite into the female's shoulder whilst her attention was trained on Ford, and finally the plasma breath down the throat. Logically, he would do the same after analyzing the various abilities of the Legion Queen.

And I'm not seeing where this argument for lower quality durability is coming from. He survived the atom-ripping power of 15 megatons worth of nuclear force from Castle Bravo, and we don't know for sure if the Mana Beam is exceeds this. It's the energy of the Earth and all that inhabit it itself, which is a bit hard to quantify.

As for the Legion Drones, they'd prove a nuisance, but wouldn't be able to do any real damage to LegendaryGoji, even in their huge numbers, since they probably wouldn't pierce his hide. It's only vulnerable areas like his gills and eyes that would be a problem. And then we have the Queen herself. She isn't too graceful in physical combat, and is most at home blasting her enemies apart, and given LegendaryGoji's penchant for taking damage, she'd better watch out.

I never got the impression that Godzilla was "learning" or "analyzing" anything in the movie. In fact I think that theory is a pretty far reach. If that's the case, every time Godzilla got around a fight with a specific attack, tail whip, bite, etc in the Heisei series is some form of battle analyzation making the Heisei Godzilla a combat genius. But that's never made clear and I don't think it's true. So no, I don't submit to the idea that was happening at all. I see it more as a check list for things Godzilla simply does in battle for the audience to applaud to. There's really no indication that any of that was due to some strategic battle ploy on Godzilla's part.

And if the MUTO can dig into Godzilla's hide in than I don't see how the Legion swarm can't. Aside of people overrating Godzilla's "durability" they're a collective workers-- Not altogether smart, but would certainly pose a threat to Godzilla haulting any "push through" while Legion blasts him.

I think it's plenty clear, OG Gman. It's no mere coincidence that Godzilla came upon the female whilst she was laying her eggs, and he knew that the only way to put her down for good, to stop her regenerative cells, was by using his plasma breath on the inside. Plus, he saw a grand opportunity to perform a tail strike that he didn't get to use beforehand, what with tossing the male a good distance away, and having it circle around for him, giving enough distance to prepare the killing blow.

As for the M.U.T.O. VS nuke question, well, enough actual physical force is always shown as being more effective than sheer kinetic energy. Just because a bomb can't hurt something doesn't mean smacking it with something really really hard won't. I can dig that together, the swarm of Legion Drones pose somewhat of a threat. But given the strength and durability of this Godzilla (remember, the Drones aren't individually too tough), they'll have a hard time doing anything to even get his attention aside from covering his body and maybe poking at his gills and eyes.

Taking all that into account, and given the Legion Queen's lesser frame compared to him, I deduce that LegendaryGoji stands a fairly large chance of defeating her, given that the only attacks that she could do that would be able to truly damage him are surprise attacks from the air/underground, energy blasts, and possibly a swarm of her Drones .The surprise attacks, she hasn't really used too often, the energy blast,s LegendaryGoji can weather enough of, and the swarm will have trouble doing anything significant even together due to his powerful structure.

If it's just Godzilla vs the Queen Godzilla wins, if the swarm is included Legion wins. Funny in the movie how much damage the swarm did to Gamera alone, to the point they focused more on distracting them than attacking the Queen. Big monsters typically don't do well when getting swarmed especially if you'd have the queen there too.

If it's just the queen Godzilla wins, not because he's smart and will adapt, because I don't believe he really did any of that in his fight in his movie but because he's tenacious. Once he seems set on something he'll throw everything he can at it so since he doesn't use his atomic breath much the Queen's shield doesn't matter much here. This comes down to if the Queen's superior offense would outdo G14's superior defense. Since the military did more damage to the queen than I think they've ever done to a Godzilla monster outside the specially created vehicles, I think Godzilla could win this if only facing her. In the whole swarm Legion wrecks him and takes over the planet.