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Kong better not win! Here's my storyline. Whats yours?

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hawk4117

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One will fall? Better not be Godzilla! I'll be pissed! Here's my take. I remember in my childhood I idolized Godzilla. He was my #1 hero! From flying turtles to smog monsters, three headed dragons to giant fuzzy moths, he ruled them all. Then the ultimate showdown took place. In 1962, King Kong vs Godzilla hit the big screen and the ending really pissed me off! A lot of King Kong fans believed that Kong killed Godzilla. Ha! I still to this day get a kick out of arguing with them about the ending. First off Gorillas can’t swim and Godzilla is amphibian. Godzilla was bigger and stronger, and when the battle started, Godzilla was kicking Kong’s ass all over the place until a lightning bolt hit him, making Kong stronger…Then they really started battling it out…remember? Ultimately they both rolled down the mountain into the sea, where Kong surfaced and started swimming back to his island, and that was how the movie ended! Remember that? That doesn’t mean Kong won. What happened to Godzilla? He probably didn’t want to fool with this overgrown ape anymore. He could have easily tugged Kong’s little toe, pulling him under and drowning him! Lol Or perhaps Godzilla, when rolling down the mountain, hit his head and was knocked unconscious for a while, taking a nap in his domain…no, no, no, I tell you Kong did not win that fight! lolololol As for the upcoming 2020 film, here's what I would love to see as a possible story line. However Hollywood wants to introduce another Alpha villain such as Destroyah for example, let them do so. Stage left, enter Godzilla and Kong. They cross paths. Two Alphas. They fight! Each one of them getting their licks in. But no ones a winner. It’s a DRAW! They both go back to their respected domains to lick their wounds. Stage right: Then Destroyer makes his appearance in society and causes havoc on the planet. Military cannot stop it. Monarch plans to lure Kong and Godzilla to Destroyer. Godzilla gets there first. Of course he's always the one to throw the first punch! Kong arrives on scene as Godzilla and Destroyah are clashing, but at first Kong does nothing! He just watches from afar trying not to get noticed. Being that Kong's a little more compassionate and emotional (remember what that blonde did to him) he realizes that Godzilla cannot win the battle by himself. Center stage: Kong decides to join the battle and pounces on Destroyah. Godzilla was taken by surprise of this, but takes advantage of the situation. The two Alphas unite and win! Both are winners. The one who falls is Destroyah! After their victory, they both turn to each other and stare each other down as if they are going to have a re-match. Then they both pause, do a monster gesture of respect towards one another, and then both walk away, returning to their lairs. Kong fans and Godzilla fans should be ok with that? What do you think? DO NOT KILL EITHER ONE OFF IN THIS BATTLE! We all know how Kong will perish. NOT GODZILLA!  He’s our protector of the planet!

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I like it!  The only thing is the empire state building shouldn't be destroyed on the battlefield.  That's Kong's last place of life further down the road, holding on, back riddled with bullets, looking at that beautiful woman, then to weak to hold on anymore, let's go thinking...that bitch!

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Gigantis Actually, you are wrong. There are actually two endings to the '62 movie, with the American version having Kong as the winner, and the Original Japanese version having Godzilla win. Put two and two together, and you get a tie. Remember, Godzilla can swim, so did he really lose the fight when they fell into the sea at the end?

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You're wrong!  There's one ending with two versions.  However you want to decipher that is irrelevant to me.  One with a roar, one without a roar! Who cares! All I know is that there's wasn't a sinking lifeless dead Godzilla at the end of the movie to decisively claim Kong the winner in both versions! With that said, there was no decisive winner!  IT WAS A DRAW! Show me the scene where Godzilla sinks to the bottom and is lifeless, and I could possibly accept Kong the victor. IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!

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The rumored 1962 Japanese version with Godzilla surfacing at the end does not exist.

As for the winner in 2020 it will be Kong. It sucks imo because we already saw Kong win once and it feels really cheap seeing him win again.

Neither will die, but I think Godzilla will retreat and Kong will stand victorious on Skull Island.

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well godzilla won twice in his respective monsterverse movies but we will see what happens in 2020. Also on the whole "alternate endings" of King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) yeah King Kong won in both versions. Just in the Japanese one: Godzilla could be heard roaring after Kong left Japan.

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hawk4117,
From Toho's own international flyer, used before the film was released in American theaters:

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."
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It just doesn’t make any sense how anyone could see Kong a winner.  Even the writers of that article.   I mean take another peek at the ending scene when the two were fighting hard, and that mansion was between them.  I think they both did more damage on that house than each other.  Then they got tangled up in a monster clinch and both rolled down the mountainside.  So what if Kong surfaced and swam away.  How could that scene claim Kong the victor?  It wasn’t like Kong was getting massive hard licks in of the final round as in Cinderella man where James Braddock was punching Maxx Baer all over the place. Yes Braddock was the underdog, as Kong would be, but come on…I could humbly say that if it went to a decision, it would be a draw. Anyways, I would just love to see a great fight and I hope the writers and producers can get the storyline right.   

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Kong was airlifted to Godzilla with the intent of stopping Godzilla from remaining on land as a destructive force. When the movie ended Godzilla was gone and therefore Kong's human enforced objective was complete. That implies victory imo.

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Airlifted, I though Kong was brought to Japan by a huge ass boat?

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hawk4117,
Narratively it makes sense because Godzilla was the larger threat in the movie. Kong was more of an anti-hero. Also consider that Kong had nearly 30 years of popularity at the time and Honda and Tsuburaya were likely paying respect to a creature that helped inspired them to create Godzilla in 1954. Whether we like it or not, Kong was the winner--According to Toho back during the film's international release anyway.

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He escaped the raft being tugged by the boat and swam to Japan early in the film. After he was drugged in Tokyo, Kong was airlifted to fight Godzilla at Mt. Fuji.

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I feel like a draw would be too obvious and ruin the purpose of the movie, the fight between two massive monsters. One has to win. No one should die but I still want one to lose. It should be Kong. He does not need or want to be the king of the monsters. He wants his island and that’s all. 

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Kong has always been portrayed as the more sympathetic character. He is more "human" and relatable to than Godzilla. Besides that, the underdog always wins. It will most likely be a reskinned Rocky film.

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I've always wondered why the Kong loss is such a sore topic for some people. I mean it's not like Godzilla has a perfect record outside of that loss, hell in the next movie he loses to 2 Mothra larva which always struck me as much more a WTF loss than the Kong one, at least when I cared about that type of stuff.

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Thank you Im Durp! Finally someone who understands! Why can’t he win? I know he is more popular now but why do people care so much?

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Well I think we all want to see a great fight.  As I said earlier in the post, if Godzilla dies, then I believe Monster verse would cease to exist.  Keep him alive and if the writers and producers deem Kong a winner, then at least let it go to the score cards, like a split decision! Lol  I would still like to see them two unite to defeat a monster villain like Destroyah.  Now that would be bad ass!  

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I don't know if the Monsterverse would end solely because of Godzilla's death. I mean, frankly, it's Kong's movie that's made the most money of the Monsterverse flicks.

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Godzilla should win, I don't see any reason for Kong to win. I mean, Godzilla's ancient and in the 1900's Kong's still growing, so still a sub adult and therefore likely has less experience than an ancient creature that fought creatures with similar capabilities to him, (i.e. ranged attacks), and ones that could fly that were on par with himself (Ghidorah). Kong's main experience that we know of was that he managed to beat a big skullcrawler, which is still a great feat, but it's nothing compared to beating Ghidorah TWICE (cave painting+KOTM) Godzilla has Atomic Breath and possibly his classic Nuclear Pulse. He should be fine against a less experienced and probably weaker creature than himself. Especially since they're both anti-heroes. In fact, Godzilla seems to be more of a hero, as while Kong intentionally attacked people, Godzilla never did so, and saved them for the most part, though not as carefully as Kong did to ONE human. Godzilla keeps an entire world full of Kaiju in check, while Kong watches over Skull Island only, not influencing the main world much if at all. If it's based off of influence, then Godzilla has done more for the sake of humanity (whether intentionally or not) than Kong ever did, so he's technically more "heroic" than Kong, based off of acts of heroism alone. Of course personality and a bunch of other factors should be taken into account, there's not enough information about the Kaiju to do so. So based on quantity alone, Godzilla is more "heroic", especially from the narrative pushed throughout KOTM. Also, everyone should remember he used to be called King Kong, but like King Ghidorah in the Monsterverse had the title of king revoked, possibly because Godzilla is supposed to take the title, especially after King Of The Monsters. If that's actually an intentional decision, and that's what they meant from that decision, then Godzilla would probably win. Yeah, I know, it's probably a flawed argument, but I just wanted to give my thoughts on it.

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I agree that Godzilla should win, but I disagree that he is weaker and less experienced. Kong is full grown now so his strength should be equal to or maybe even more than Godzilla’s seeing as Gorillas can lift 5 to 8 times their own weight. Kong has also been fighting super species every day of his life since he was born. Godzilla has been hibernating for periods of millions of years. I bet he was sleeping most of his life so his real life experience is probably 1/4 of his actual age. I don’t think Godzilla really had that many challenges on his level either. I imagine that he mostly was just left alone by other titans until a rival alpha rose to challenge him. I would have to put experience at a little higher than Kong. On Godzilla being a hero, no. He does not care about humanity, they are what ants are to us. They are just there and you don’t really care for them until they start crawling on you or invading your house. Kong did attack and kill the humans though, but they were dropping bombs on his home and waking up the skull crawlers. Of course he would kill them. Not to mention they were trying to kill him. Kong does actively help the good humans who were kind to him and helped him. He is not a hero by any means, but he is more involved with humans seeing as he saves them and defends their settlement in the comic. He actually cares unlike Godzilla who just indifferent. About King Kong having his title revoked, that’s wrong. He is Kong because calling the movie King Kong would just confuse merchandising and people. They want to differentiate him from all the other king Kong’s. He is clearly the king of the island as stated in his movie and is a god to the natives. Nothing was taken from him. I feel like they would make Godzilla win in the movie, but it would be one hell of a fight for Godzilla and he would just come out on top by a hair. But Godzilla would realize that he can’t protect the entire world or be the only alpha so he would just walk away. It would be impossible for Godzilla to keep every titan  in check just like it would be impossible for a wolf to keep every other wolf on earth in check. Kong remains alpha of the island and Godzilla keeps his alpha position and his crew. 

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Good points, but I don't think Kong was really helping the good humans much, what he did was keep one in his hand during a fight. I'm not sure why he helped her, there wasn't anyway for him to differentiate her from the bad, or possibly even from other humans, like a human looking at an ant. He might have thought she was a rock and wanted to smash her into the skullcrawler's eye until he realized he was holding a human. Maybe he thought she was one of the people who didn't hurt him so he didn't kill her. Also, Godzilla doesn't seem to be entirely indifferent to people, he shown multiple times in the movie to regard humans around him, like on the submarine when it was on the surface after they revitalized Godzilla. He spent a good moment staring at them and getting really close to them. He was either trying to see if they were a threat, or giving them thanks for helping him, if he and Kong somehow can tell good people from bad. Or maybe he just wanted another pat on the head like Serizawa gave him, who knows? Also, since the movie is called "Skull Island", I don't think it would matter if they put king into the title, and they called him King in the movie with no knowledge of Godzilla, as well as saying he isn't the only king while showing a picture of Godzilla in the post credit scene. Also, while Kong had a small civilization with few known shrines dedicated to him, Godzilla had an entire huge city absolutely covered with shrines to him, there was even an entire room dedicated to him for resting and/or healing him. Even if they are both kings, Godzilla seems to have a higher status among humans and monsters alike. Heck, even Monarch treats Kong practically the same as any other titan, and he was following Ghidorah's call to action in the movie, unlike Godzilla and even Mothra who resisted their calls as they were more among the alpha status than other titans, a trait Kong doesn't show. So saying Kong is a hero isn't necessarily true, he seems to be a regular titan who got a movie, looking over his area and following the occasional calls from the alpha titan, like Rodan or Scylla. Also, even a quarter of millions of years is still at least hundreds of thousands of years of experience, especially when you consider he used to be very active during the times of ancient civilizations, since he was around enough that people dedicated shrines and entire huge cities (or at least a giant room filled with lava and radiation in the heart of their city) to him. So he was probably very active, and he has experience with Kong's own species as shown by the underwater cave painting of him fighting one of Kong's ancestors. Kong also doesn't have experience with creatures on the same caliber as Scylla, Behemoth, Rodan, Ghidorah, or Godzilla, while that's the kind of fighting Godzilla specializes in. Kong is better for hunting other short range creatures, not ones with special powers and/or ones that can fly, both of which Godzilla has beaten. Also, technically Kong probably isn't a gorilla, based off of his species possibly being around since Godzilla's if assuming the same origins as other titans, and since his posture is more bipedal than a gorilla's mostly all four's (quadrupedal) position. So assuming the same strength isn't entirely accurate, especially when he's so massive he probably struggles to hold his own weight on land. Also, most of the super species you mentioned aren't enough to classify as actual super species, or titans, to Monarch, or else there would be a lot more titans than 17 and if not, there would be a lot more titans on Skull Island than the Monarch website mentions. So even Monarch thinks they aren't on the same caliber as Behemoth and the like. In fact, most of them were smaller than Kong, including the giant squid Kong ate. The only thing his size we saw was the giant skull crawler. 

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I can admit your right about some things. Godzilla is the clear winner on paper and has a bigger role in the monsterverse. What you said about Kong not being an alpha is wrong though. The movie did not show it, but in the book there are a few pages dedicated to what Kong’s was doing during the call. He was ignoring and got pissed because the skull crawlers woke up. He got up and went to fight an army of skull crawlers. While not super species like I said earlier, the monsters on the island are clearly dangerous and powerful enough to be considered threats. They would surly have posed a challenge to a young Kong. Now that he is bigger, not so much. Godzilla is clearly the expected winner though, so that makes Kong the underdog. Honestly who knows at this point, I say they are equal. Nice to know there are some people who can see that Kong has a chance here. Seems like there are a lot of people who think this should be one sided. 

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